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	<title>Comments on: Mac Theme Refresh</title>
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		<title>By: Conan</title>
		<link>http://blog.stephenhorlander.com/2009/10/05/mac-theme-refresh/#comment-3444</link>
		<dc:creator>Conan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say that this is the best visual overhaul that I have seen come from Firefox--I&#039;ve been using the GrApple themes for some time now because the default Firefox themes have been rather disappointing.  

My particular feedback is that, if you are going to put the home tab in the tab bar I want the option to get rid of it, as I don&#039;t want it cluttering up my tabs (feels too IE for my taste).  Also, the attached label for the profile gets my vote for the options displayed.

I like the direction this is going.  Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say that this is the best visual overhaul that I have seen come from Firefox&#8211;I&#8217;ve been using the GrApple themes for some time now because the default Firefox themes have been rather disappointing.  </p>
<p>My particular feedback is that, if you are going to put the home tab in the tab bar I want the option to get rid of it, as I don&#8217;t want it cluttering up my tabs (feels too IE for my taste).  Also, the attached label for the profile gets my vote for the options displayed.</p>
<p>I like the direction this is going.  Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Daghead</title>
		<link>http://blog.stephenhorlander.com/2009/10/05/mac-theme-refresh/#comment-1731</link>
		<dc:creator>Daghead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 04:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I REALLY hope the Menu Bar options end up using TWO buttons, and is placed beside the bookmarks toolbar, where it is most sensible. 

The design of ribboned apps was noted a few times; Be aware of how Microsoft came to its senses and in Office 2010 beta, changed the Office button to be labeled &#039;File&#039; which is great, even though that leaves &#039;Help&#039;, &#039;Add-ins&#039;, &#039;Options&#039;, and &#039;Exit&#039; out of catigorization (where the need for a general controls button comes in for Firefox&#039;s case).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I REALLY hope the Menu Bar options end up using TWO buttons, and is placed beside the bookmarks toolbar, where it is most sensible. </p>
<p>The design of ribboned apps was noted a few times; Be aware of how Microsoft came to its senses and in Office 2010 beta, changed the Office button to be labeled &#8216;File&#8217; which is great, even though that leaves &#8216;Help&#8217;, &#8216;Add-ins&#8217;, &#8216;Options&#8217;, and &#8216;Exit&#8217; out of catigorization (where the need for a general controls button comes in for Firefox&#8217;s case).</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Lizard</title>
		<link>http://blog.stephenhorlander.com/2009/10/05/mac-theme-refresh/#comment-1657</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Lizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever you do, whatever changes you make, please please please put this on the top of the list:

TAB CLOSE BUTTONS ON THE LEFT

I know the stubborn Firefox dev team have flat out refused to do this in the past, but please, you&#039;re the ONLY app that puts a close button on the right.  Having seen Windows PCs, I know that&#039;s how they do it there, but not on a Mac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever you do, whatever changes you make, please please please put this on the top of the list:</p>
<p>TAB CLOSE BUTTONS ON THE LEFT</p>
<p>I know the stubborn Firefox dev team have flat out refused to do this in the past, but please, you&#8217;re the ONLY app that puts a close button on the right.  Having seen Windows PCs, I know that&#8217;s how they do it there, but not on a Mac.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://blog.stephenhorlander.com/2009/10/05/mac-theme-refresh/#comment-1622</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bob

As a Mac OS user I ca say I do not compare my applications to the Finder, but thank you for speaking on behalf of us all. Appreciated.

I like the mockups for 4.0, and I like tabs in the titlebar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bob</p>
<p>As a Mac OS user I ca say I do not compare my applications to the Finder, but thank you for speaking on behalf of us all. Appreciated.</p>
<p>I like the mockups for 4.0, and I like tabs in the titlebar.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://blog.stephenhorlander.com/2009/10/05/mac-theme-refresh/#comment-1459</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What I don’t understand is why you guys just won’t use completely native buttons… What the hell is wrong with using Safari/Finder’s back/forward buttons? Why don’t you use the same background color as every other damn application on Mac OS?

These design decisions are incredibly poor, and the UI designers behind Firefox really need to stop churning out so much crap. Firefox has the potential to look great just by using default UI elements, why are you trying so hard?

Thanks.&quot;

This.

And please do NOT hide the title and do NOT extend the tabs into the title bar. Take the Finder as a benchmark, if you&#039;d like. That&#039;s what OS X users compare their applications to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What I don’t understand is why you guys just won’t use completely native buttons… What the hell is wrong with using Safari/Finder’s back/forward buttons? Why don’t you use the same background color as every other damn application on Mac OS?</p>
<p>These design decisions are incredibly poor, and the UI designers behind Firefox really need to stop churning out so much crap. Firefox has the potential to look great just by using default UI elements, why are you trying so hard?</p>
<p>Thanks.&#8221;</p>
<p>This.</p>
<p>And please do NOT hide the title and do NOT extend the tabs into the title bar. Take the Finder as a benchmark, if you&#8217;d like. That&#8217;s what OS X users compare their applications to.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://blog.stephenhorlander.com/2009/10/05/mac-theme-refresh/#comment-1447</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for another detailed writeup, and some good looking designs.  In the 4.0 section, it seems like there&#039;s a little copy-paste issue there -- do I understand correctly that the search field and address field will be formally combined?  And that the blue Google pulldown is how you select your search engine?  And that no location is displayed when searching, just your term?  It&#039;s slick in a way, but I worry that it reinforces misconceptions that non-web-savvy people have (the kind of people who will type &quot;facebook.com&quot; into google and click the first link instead of typing it directly into the address bar).

Am I right that the proposal is that the two fields be combined?  Will this be optional?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for another detailed writeup, and some good looking designs.  In the 4.0 section, it seems like there&#8217;s a little copy-paste issue there &#8212; do I understand correctly that the search field and address field will be formally combined?  And that the blue Google pulldown is how you select your search engine?  And that no location is displayed when searching, just your term?  It&#8217;s slick in a way, but I worry that it reinforces misconceptions that non-web-savvy people have (the kind of people who will type &#8220;facebook.com&#8221; into google and click the first link instead of typing it directly into the address bar).</p>
<p>Am I right that the proposal is that the two fields be combined?  Will this be optional?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://blog.stephenhorlander.com/2009/10/05/mac-theme-refresh/#comment-1442</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I ask is one thing. Use as little vertical real estate as you possibly can. All Mac users are on widescreen displays and many are displays with poor vertical resolution. Try and make as good or better than Safari.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I ask is one thing. Use as little vertical real estate as you possibly can. All Mac users are on widescreen displays and many are displays with poor vertical resolution. Try and make as good or better than Safari.</p>
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		<title>By: Alain Meyer</title>
		<link>http://blog.stephenhorlander.com/2009/10/05/mac-theme-refresh/#comment-1439</link>
		<dc:creator>Alain Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I don&#039;t understand is why you guys just won&#039;t use completely native buttons... What the hell is wrong with using Safari/Finder&#039;s back/forward buttons? Why don&#039;t you use the same background color as every other damn application on Mac OS?

These design decisions are incredibly poor, and the UI designers behind Firefox really need to stop churning out so much crap. Firefox has the potential to look great just by using default UI elements, why are you trying so hard?

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I don&#8217;t understand is why you guys just won&#8217;t use completely native buttons&#8230; What the hell is wrong with using Safari/Finder&#8217;s back/forward buttons? Why don&#8217;t you use the same background color as every other damn application on Mac OS?</p>
<p>These design decisions are incredibly poor, and the UI designers behind Firefox really need to stop churning out so much crap. Firefox has the potential to look great just by using default UI elements, why are you trying so hard?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://blog.stephenhorlander.com/2009/10/05/mac-theme-refresh/#comment-548</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like these proposed changes, but my 2 cents is concerning the &quot;Identity&quot; button.  I think if the design of this feature is actually a button, the interface will start to look more cluttered than necissary.  Personally, I prefer the &quot;no background&quot; version.  Nice and simple, doesn&#039;t need to be more than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like these proposed changes, but my 2 cents is concerning the &#8220;Identity&#8221; button.  I think if the design of this feature is actually a button, the interface will start to look more cluttered than necissary.  Personally, I prefer the &#8220;no background&#8221; version.  Nice and simple, doesn&#8217;t need to be more than that.</p>
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		<title>By: ChristonJP</title>
		<link>http://blog.stephenhorlander.com/2009/10/05/mac-theme-refresh/#comment-517</link>
		<dc:creator>ChristonJP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, please, do not make Tabs on Top required, and please, if you can, don&#039;t make them default. It&#039;s one of the most visually annoying, disrupting things that was in the Safari 4 beta I was so glad to see go away. Aside from that, I agree with everyone else who has mentioned that the option for closing tabs needs to be on the left. It is the OS default, and Firefox is the only place where that&#039;s different.

Also, please DON&#039;T make the menu limited to two items, or put the bookmarks bar in the menu, once again, it would be too confusing for regular Mac users. I understand that consistency between OSes is important for support folks - having done phone support for too long - but consistency with the OS is more important for users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, please, do not make Tabs on Top required, and please, if you can, don&#8217;t make them default. It&#8217;s one of the most visually annoying, disrupting things that was in the Safari 4 beta I was so glad to see go away. Aside from that, I agree with everyone else who has mentioned that the option for closing tabs needs to be on the left. It is the OS default, and Firefox is the only place where that&#8217;s different.</p>
<p>Also, please DON&#8217;T make the menu limited to two items, or put the bookmarks bar in the menu, once again, it would be too confusing for regular Mac users. I understand that consistency between OSes is important for support folks &#8211; having done phone support for too long &#8211; but consistency with the OS is more important for users.</p>
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